Thank you for replying to my thread, however I must inform you that you were not
supposed to do so as the thread is over two weeks old. With regards to what you
stated, the pain I feel stems from an inability to live up and achieve as
greatly as our ancient predecessors.
There was something which seperated us from them. They were something like
demi-gods. It was as if while the Gods had crafted us in bronze, brass and iron,
they had been crafted in silver and gold; and were more precious and valuable
than any of us had any right to be. What was it? Divine intervention? Something
of their genius? Or was it luck?
That is what I am trying to understand, that I may emulate and one day be worthy
to stand amongst them.
Thank you for listening to my rambling,
Sulibres
As far as I know the limit for bumping a thread is 4 weeks old..
But, I could be wrong and I appreciate your warning.
I personally believe that God creates us all the same.. If there were someone
like them, it must because of their effort,
chance, and luck that made them became a well known people who had helped
develop this world of ours..
I see that you are a person who thinks deeper than others and likes to use words
which have deep meanings..
So, I can see why you can feel the pain of not being able to stand amongst
them.
There is nothing deep about me, my friend. Nor is there any profoundness in my
words. I am just trying to make my way in a world I have little understanding
of.
Sulibres
Hmm, well.. I personally think that your poems are really good and it has
profoundness in the words.. You also have wide knowledge that is quite rare to
be found at people of your age..
Really, you are an interesting person..
Hmm, would you mind if I add you to my friend list?
hello, thanks for wat u said and yes he did stop coz he nids to hit the road and
he will be abck again oso wat he said lol
nice meeting u and at such situation too well, u
already noe my name but i dunno urs mind telling me?
merged: 08-12-2007 ~ 02:46pm
HEY! CAN I ADD YOU?
merged: 08-12-2007 ~ 02:54pm
Quote by SulibresI've signed my part of
the contract for friendship, its up to you now.
contract..can u not make it sounds so weird..u meant add..yes i did
Thanks for including me in your friends list. I consider it an honour. Here's an
interesting fact for you I just thought up. We all know Galileo was Catholic
right? But while he was doing his studies claiming the world was round, he
apparently believed that Religion should be seperated from science: One may be a
Catholic and a free thinker at the same time.
But then again, I'll bet he probably only stated that to prevent himself from
being burnt on the stake by the Inquisition. In those days, you'd better believe
in God for fear of the Inquisitors!
Thanks for attending another course on my rambling,
Sulibres
That depends on what a "Catholic" is. I tend to consider labels like
"Catholic" to mean whatever the person using the label wants, to a
reasonable extent. For example, if someone called themselves a Catholic, but
they don't believe in the existence of the Christian god and hold Buddhist
beliefs, I would say that person isn't really a Catholic. I'm sure back in
Galileo's time the Catholic Church would be more than willing to say people need
to adhere strictly to their definition of what a Catholic is to be considered a
Catholic, which I'm guessing would have included taking part in all the odd
Catholic practices, such as transubstantiation, and accepting all the odd
Catholic doctrines, such as the fact that the world is flat. A freethinker could
not be a Catholic, based on that view, because freethinking necessarily entails
forming views based on reason rather than authority.
A freethinker isn't someone who picks and chooses what they're going to think
freely about. I doubt Galileo was willing to even consider the nonexistence of
God, so I can't really call him a freethinker, even if he went against one of
the Church doctrines. A better example of a freethinker would be Thomas
Jefferson, who wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of God;
because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that
of blindfolded fear."
Thanks for replying to my thread. I didn't realize there were Taoists amongst
the populace of Minitokyo. It's nice to see some refreshing outlooks on religion
from a wide variety of people such as yourself. If I'm not wrong, I do believe
there is a God in your pantheon by the name of Guan Yu? Am I right?
It is true that deities lose support from humans. Once a deitiy's role in a
polytheistic religion becomes redundant, they themselves are forgotten. In a way
they are like us humans: Beings who serve their purpose and move on. But I would
like to know your concept on the after life. That would be most intriguing. Is
the concept of the after life simillair to Buddhism? Or is it completely
different?
Thank you for posting on my thread and even bothering to read my
rambling.
Sulibres
Hi, Sulibres!
Indeed there are. In fact, I know some of my friends who are Taoists too
However, many aren't noticeable because they aren't as religious as Christians
and Muslims. They have this religion because their parents are. Or in other
words, they aren't enthusiastic to tell their beliefs
Oh, Guan Yu isn't the main supreme God. He's just the god of war (now prosperity
business & loyalty god). Yu Huang (Jade Emperor) is, but according to
tradition beliefs, he's just an 'appointed' Head of all beings. There isn't a
clear line of the Creator. Based on Chinese mythology, Earth is formed by a
giant man named Pangu, whose body, once died out of exhaustion of separating
heaven and earth apart, rotten away to form mountains, sun, moon and so on.
Humans, on the other hand, were created from clay like dolls, by a lady named Nw
Wa.
Taoism, being mixed with Buddhism so closely in China, has formed a foundation
of Chinese Hell and Heaven. Taoism is all about philosophy of life, but Buddhism
too is about freeing oneself from sufferings in life. If I'm not mistaken,
Hinduism influence Buddhism with its belief of Heaven & Hell because it
believes in the concept of Karma and reborn.
However, there's another part in Chinese afterlife: mortals will go to
underworld; Heaven is for gods (unless someone is appointed to be god ). Do note
that there are 2 types of underworld: punishment world (Hell) & reward
world. From what I read, there a bridge where all departed souls have to cross;
and by doing so, there'll be no point of return. Next would be judgment court.
It's only there where these souls will know their final destination
(heck, no lawyers either )
Sinful ones are punished with 18 levels of hell, and reborn into animals,
depending on their sin. Others may be reborn as humans (recycled? )as they
haven't get the point of fully free from the weight of Karma. Otherwise, they
need not be reincarnated and thus, rise to the heavenly Nirvana.
I hope you can grasp the difference between the pure Buddhism and
Taoism+Buddhism beliefs
But to me, I prefer not to worry much nor aiming for Heaven because it's
distracting me from doing my responsibility as good civilian
you are welcome. but i think i need to thank you 1st for listening to my
lectures
Quote by SulibresI believe part of the
reason people take kingray100 so seriously is because, well the human being
tends to never shy away from an argument; the human being is the natural born
political animal.
If you take at history as a whole and then take a step back and look at it, it
shows how funny, if you look at it with a humorous tone, and often simple-minded
humans can be. Ourselves included. =P
Quote by SulibresI had a great religious
education teacher called Mark Beaverstock (funny surname, no?) once. He
orginally was part of a gang, had various tattoos representing his allegiance,
drank, smoked, worked out in the gym and even took drugs. His story of becoming
a Christian is that while all of his friends somehow ended up in jail, dead or
even insane. He for some reason never went that far. That's why he started
believing in God: He felt something great was watching over him.
Aside from that, he was most likely one of the greatest men I ever had the
fortune of knowing. He once told me something about religious beliefs:
"Know yourself, what you love most and what you believe in; in it you'll
find your God..." -Mark Beaverstock.
From what you said here--although I of course can't judge his belief and the
reasons behind it based solely on this story--it seems that he got lucky and,
because he lived in an area where the Christian religion was predominate, he
decided that his luck must be a result of God watching after him. That kind of
God would be incredibly sadistic if it allowed those other people to suffer and
go to jail, and only helped him to reform his life. But that's what the
rationalization, "God works in mysterious ways," is for.
I did not think you would know Judge Roy Moore. But I never doubted anything.
Yes, he was contraversial politician.
I liked his poem very much since I am a christian.
And thanks for commenting.
Quote by SulibresI applaud you on your
work for standing up to someone such as Kingray100. You must have the attributes
of great patience to explain so calmly to him your views. I personally find him
to be the comedian of the Religion and Science forum.
Your posts are also informative and fun to read,
Thanks
Sulibres
Thanks Sulibres, your comment means a lot to me. ^_^
I don't understand why everyone's so concerned with Kingray100 though. Other
than the fact that he can't seem to reply to any posts directed towards him or
make intelligible posts, there's not really anything special about what he's
been posting. People seem to be taking him way too seriously for some reason,
but I agree with you. He's kind of funny.
Thank you for replying to my thread. I have heard much of Persepolise in Shiraz,
Iran. And Darius was without a doubt one of the greatest men to have walked the
earth. Long before the concept of human rights was around, Darius believed in
treating all his subjects equally. Even the Greeks whom he conquered thought of
him as a fair and just ruler. During the construction of Perseplise, Darius did
not believe in using slave labour and paid every man and woman equally based on
the amount of work they did. his human rights policies were the first to be ever
made, and were revolutionary for his time. These laws continued to pass onto his
ancestors. I am not very familiar with Cyrus however, but I am sure he was
worthy of the title "great".
The history of greater Iran posesses perhaps some of the greatest men in the
world. But to each nation their own greatness, no? But I have always wondered
what made these great people different from us. Was it divine intervention?
Chance, timing or simply something in their genius? I will never truly know.
What makes a Darius? A Zarathustra, a Napolean or Caesar? Something existed
within all these men which made them different to us. But for now, all I can do
is gaze admiringly upon their thrones... And hope, that I may see one more great
explosion, be it of intellectual power or military might in this world before I
die. All I ask is to have one more great mind walk the earth in this life
time... Is that so much to ask?
Thank you for listening to my rambling,
Sulibres.
Rambling?! Hmmm... you sure were refelecting something that some people might
feel as well but hardly can express nowadays due to our cultural trends and
changes. It's very nice to find people, specially among young generation,
interested in History, books and etc. And my you seem to know a lot in this
field. Good for you! It seems that you're a reader. When I was younger, about 16
and 17 I was just like you! And sadly I could hardly find a company that could
truely understand what I meant. So usually I coped with elder people, specially
my uncle. I miss those days and the way I used to be. Now I hardly have time and
I deeply regret for waisting instead of
deeper study and thought on it. You're really lucky to keep this passion, I
assume, in you. Don't lose it!
Quote by SulibresI would like to work as
an adviser or personal administrator for a relatively powerful figure in a
dictatorial political organization... Something like a Reich. I don't know,
something about strong governments and Machiavellian people has always appealed
to me. Not to mention the fact that I'll be surrounded by well versed and
capable people. I guess politics somehow gets my blood going...
Either that or I'm just a tad bit eccentric.
(NO. I am not a Nazi...I just find the uniforms
impressive.)
Haha, Nazi Oh well, it's always good to have inspiration. Good Luck!
Though I realize that all normal people, the one thing that will always confound
me is what allowed them to percieve what others could not. Was it divine
intervention, chance or a stroke of genius?
Not all beings are born equal. There is something within the great people that
makes them different from us. In a metaphorical sense, while most of us were
born with brass and iron within us (Brass for the artisans and artists, iron for
the soldiers and strong labourers, etc), a very small fraction of us were born
with silver and gold and were held in the highest esteem. These people with
silver and gold wihin them are our guardians, our great minds and inventors: The
super humans of our race.
Thank you for listening to my rambling,
Sulibres
It makes sense, we can't be born with all of the
metals, or this world would be.....something else. I'll listen to your rambling
anyday. lol
Though it is true that a normal person can do great things as well. There are
also the "great" people who have been acknowledged over the centuries.
One simply does not find a Napolean amongst the common folk like you and me
today.
What I am trying to figure out is what was it that seperated these "great
ones" from the likes of us. what was it? Was it divine intervention,
chance, timing or simply the genius embedded within their minds? These people
had something, something that is lacking in the populace as the years go by. It
is disturbing, painful perhaps but ultimately intriguing. True, we have our own
genius' in this day and age but is it possible, for us to have just one more
explosion? One more genius that the world will stand in awe of within our
lifetime? That's all I ask.
Thank you for listening to my rambling.
Sulibres
Well, let me tell ya what we lack to really become like them,
we lack true human heart, people in this days don't care about that, thats why,
at least thats what I think...
Good and evil, positive and negative, they are words with ambiguous meanings or
none at all, depending simply on one's point of view. For an individual point of
view they can be opposites, but that is far from absolute. You seem to
completely ignore the possibility that there exists not blacks and whites,
positives and negatives, goods and evils, but just one big amorphous ball of
grey neutrality; how does one balance that?
Sorry it took so long but... thank you for commenting on my Mint Doujinshi!
I'm glad you like it
Sorry I didn't say thanks earlier, I thought I'd already signed your G.B, but
then I had a look just now and I hadn't.... gomen.
Hi Sulibres.. how are ya? i hope you are doin'
fine ^^.. i wanted to say thankyou for the comments on my walls.. i really
appreciate them alot ^^ arigato *bows*
Quote by SulibresI can't exactly
remember this trio from the movie, but its a solid drawing none the less, thanks
for sharing again animagna ^^.
You can't? It's hard not too, they're mental!
One of the best songs of the movie (& very abusive!) "Kidnap the sandy
claws"
Thanx for all your comments!
Hope your'e well!
Seeya!
As far as I know the limit for bumping a thread is 4 weeks old..
But, I could be wrong and I appreciate your warning.
I personally believe that God creates us all the same.. If there were someone like them, it must because of their effort, chance, and luck that made them became a well known people who had helped develop this world of ours..
I see that you are a person who thinks deeper than others and likes to use words which have deep meanings..
So, I can see why you can feel the pain of not being able to stand amongst them.
It's okay, I don't mind..
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Hmm, well.. I personally think that your poems are really good and it has profoundness in the words.. You also have wide knowledge that is quite rare to be found at people of your age..
Really, you are an interesting person..
Hmm, would you mind if I add you to my friend list?
hello, thanks for wat u said and yes he did stop coz he nids to hit the road and he will be abck again oso wat he said lol
well, u
already noe my name but i dunno urs mind telling me?
nice meeting u and at such situation too
merged: 08-12-2007 ~ 02:46pm
HEY! CAN I ADD YOU?
merged: 08-12-2007 ~ 02:54pm
contract..can u not make it sounds so weird..u meant add..yes i did
i read your poem! and it's really good! thank you for sharing! how about we become friends? if you don't mind, that is!
merged: 08-11-2007 ~ 01:22pm
right now, sulibres. i don't have much inspiration to make anymore poems. can you help me?
merged: 08-12-2007 ~ 10:34am
and good day to you, as well!
That depends on what a "Catholic" is. I tend to consider labels like "Catholic" to mean whatever the person using the label wants, to a reasonable extent. For example, if someone called themselves a Catholic, but they don't believe in the existence of the Christian god and hold Buddhist beliefs, I would say that person isn't really a Catholic. I'm sure back in Galileo's time the Catholic Church would be more than willing to say people need to adhere strictly to their definition of what a Catholic is to be considered a Catholic, which I'm guessing would have included taking part in all the odd Catholic practices, such as transubstantiation, and accepting all the odd Catholic doctrines, such as the fact that the world is flat. A freethinker could not be a Catholic, based on that view, because freethinking necessarily entails forming views based on reason rather than authority.
A freethinker isn't someone who picks and chooses what they're going to think freely about. I doubt Galileo was willing to even consider the nonexistence of God, so I can't really call him a freethinker, even if he went against one of the Church doctrines. A better example of a freethinker would be Thomas Jefferson, who wrote, "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Hi, Sulibres!
Indeed there are. In fact, I know some of my friends who are Taoists too
However, many aren't noticeable because they aren't as religious as Christians
and Muslims. They have this religion because their parents are. Or in other
words, they aren't enthusiastic to tell their beliefs 
Oh, Guan Yu isn't the main supreme God. He's just the god of war (now prosperity business & loyalty god). Yu Huang (Jade Emperor) is, but according to tradition beliefs, he's just an 'appointed' Head of all beings. There isn't a clear line of the Creator. Based on Chinese mythology, Earth is formed by a giant man named Pangu, whose body, once died out of exhaustion of separating heaven and earth apart, rotten away to form mountains, sun, moon and so on. Humans, on the other hand, were created from clay like dolls, by a lady named Nw Wa.
Taoism, being mixed with Buddhism so closely in China, has formed a foundation of Chinese Hell and Heaven. Taoism is all about philosophy of life, but Buddhism too is about freeing oneself from sufferings in life. If I'm not mistaken, Hinduism influence Buddhism with its belief of Heaven & Hell because it believes in the concept of Karma and reborn.
However, there's another part in Chinese afterlife: mortals will go to underworld; Heaven is for gods (unless someone is appointed to be god
). Do note
that there are 2 types of underworld: punishment world (Hell) & reward
world. From what I read, there a bridge where all departed souls have to cross;
and by doing so, there'll be no point of return. Next would be judgment court.
It's only there where these souls will know their final destination 
(heck, no lawyers either 
)
)as they
haven't get the point of fully free from the weight of Karma. Otherwise, they
need not be reincarnated and thus, rise to the heavenly Nirvana.
Sinful ones are punished with 18 levels of hell, and reborn into animals, depending on their sin. Others may be reborn as humans (recycled?
I hope you can grasp the difference between the pure Buddhism and Taoism+Buddhism beliefs
But to me, I prefer not to worry much nor aiming for Heaven because it's distracting me from doing my responsibility as good civilian
you are welcome. but i think i need to thank you 1st for listening to my lectures
~kokuyu~
Nah I'm not Christian at all. I was just kidding around.
If you take at history as a whole and then take a step back and look at it, it shows how funny, if you look at it with a humorous tone, and often simple-minded humans can be. Ourselves included. =P
From what you said here--although I of course can't judge his belief and the reasons behind it based solely on this story--it seems that he got lucky and, because he lived in an area where the Christian religion was predominate, he decided that his luck must be a result of God watching after him. That kind of God would be incredibly sadistic if it allowed those other people to suffer and go to jail, and only helped him to reform his life. But that's what the rationalization, "God works in mysterious ways," is for.
-Alex
I did not think you would know Judge Roy Moore. But I never doubted anything. Yes, he was contraversial politician.
I liked his poem very much since I am a christian.
And thanks for commenting.
Thanks Sulibres, your comment means a lot to me. ^_^
I don't understand why everyone's so concerned with Kingray100 though. Other than the fact that he can't seem to reply to any posts directed towards him or make intelligible posts, there's not really anything special about what he's been posting. People seem to be taking him way too seriously for some reason, but I agree with you. He's kind of funny.
Rambling?! Hmmm... you sure were refelecting something that some people might feel as well but hardly can express nowadays due to our cultural trends and changes. It's very nice to find people, specially among young generation, interested in History, books and etc. And my you seem to know a lot in this field. Good for you! It seems that you're a reader. When I was younger, about 16 and 17 I was just like you! And sadly I could hardly find a company that could truely understand what I meant. So usually I coped with elder people, specially my uncle. I miss those days and the way I used to be. Now I hardly have time and I deeply regret for waisting instead of deeper study and thought on it. You're really lucky to keep this passion, I assume, in you. Don't lose it!
Thanks man! That was a GEM of advice you gave me there.
Sounds like something that could actually work! I'm going to try it.
Thanks again!
Peace out
Haha, Nazi
Oh well, it's always good to have inspiration. Good Luck!
It makes sense, we can't be born with all of the metals, or this world would be.....something else. I'll listen to your rambling anyday. lol
Well, let me tell ya what we lack to really become like them,
we lack true human heart, people in this days don't care about that, thats why, at least thats what I think...
Good and evil, positive and negative, they are words with ambiguous meanings or none at all, depending simply on one's point of view. For an individual point of view they can be opposites, but that is far from absolute. You seem to completely ignore the possibility that there exists not blacks and whites, positives and negatives, goods and evils, but just one big amorphous ball of grey neutrality; how does one balance that?
Hello Mister Sulibres !
Just wanted to wish you all the best for your exams !
I'm expecting you to wing it !
Hiya! Thanks for the nice comments you left on my Lucy/Nyu picture and Mint wallpaper!
Sorry it took so long but... thank you for commenting on my Mint Doujinshi!
I'm glad you like it
Sorry I didn't say thanks earlier, I thought I'd already signed your G.B, but then I had a look just now and I hadn't.... gomen.
Hi Sulibres.. how are ya? i hope you are doin' fine ^^.. i wanted to say thankyou for the comments on my walls.. i really appreciate them alot ^^ arigato *bows*
You can't? It's hard not too, they're mental!
One of the best songs of the movie (& very abusive!) "Kidnap the sandy claws"
Thanx for all your comments!
Hope your'e well!
Seeya!
Hi. I'm sorry for the late post, but anyway I wanna thank you for your nice comment on my wallie. I'm glad you like it. Have a nice day. See ya
Hello Sulibres
Thank you for your comment on my wall "Butterflies"
I am happy that you like it ^^
Hi! Thanks for comented my scan. I'm very happy for it ^_^\/